Modern Warfare 3 Developer Talks About Non-Lethal Killstreaks In Next Game

If you’ve played Call of Duty lately, specifically in the Modern Warfare series, then I’m sure you know what death streaks are. If you’re not sure, then allow me to fill you in.

Death streaks are a form of reward a player does for dying multiple times in a row, without getting a kill. Initially developed to get the player back into the game, it is now being considered a route that inexperienced players can take, netting them an easier kill. While all death streaks aren’t necessarily lethal, the ones that are have been targeted by nearly all Call of Duty groups, and questioned on there position in the game.

Players recently asked Creative Strategist, Robert Bowling, about “Dead Man’s Hand” and “Final Stand”, two of the most notorious death streaks included in the game. Bowling answered, “I agree, two of my least favorite deathstreaks. They’re here to stay for MW3,” unfortunately. When asked his opinion on keeping all death streaks non-lethal, like “Juiced”, Bowling replied, “I agree.” He then added, “the best thing players can do is stop using them. If we see people prefer non-lethal over lethal = Change.” Bowling also went on to mention, “every game is unique, there’s no reason to think [Deathstreaks] would or would not be in any future iteration. Feedback does help shape that.”

While death streaks seem like they are here to stay, we can only hope that developers consider making them all non-lethal in the next Call of Duty game.

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  1. RulooGroover March 14, 2012
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    How bout just remove deathstreaks in general

    • Raptor15 March 29, 2012
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      Removing quick scoping is dumb I for one enjoy quick scoping and do do many others if anything remove grenade launchers !

  2. Neil March 14, 2012
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    Let’s fix the quick scope idiocy before we refine anything else.

    • mrthemoth March 29, 2012
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      I actually like quick scopeing, but not all the time in every single game. I think there should be a lobby dedicated to this alone as people seem to be offended by people running roung and getting a 1 hit kill with a sniper rifle but are perfectly happy with getting 1 hit killed with a knife, we should not be ostrosised for wanting to be able to play how we want and people should be able to quick scope/no scope till their console dies but in the long run after all of the farting about fancy pants-ness of it, how many kills a match do they actually get anyway? this is all i am gonna say in the matter

      • Mike March 29, 2012
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        i agree, a bolt action sniper-only gametype would be a great idea.

      • SgtManslaughter March 29, 2012
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        I run around with Dual Desert Eagles… Everybody has their preferences… i can kill you just as fast with my akimbos as someone with a quickscope… it’s unique and adds a twist… everyones bound to get mad about something… look at the fmg9′s… i hate them but some people actually need cheap to succeed. I’d personally say let the developers develop because well feedback may be important but without all the cheapness and the uniqueness… it keeps everyones gaming experience unique which allows for better gaming. As for deathstreaks I would keep them… except fix the lag when he goes down because if i dump half a clip into a guy while he’s going down i think that should cancel it out..

  3. Steve March 14, 2012
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    I agree with Neil…. fix the quick scoping and mods before worrying about real parts of the game. Sometimes these streaks are the only way we can fight against the hackers/modders/glitchers so put your thought process to something more productive.

    • anonymous March 29, 2012
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      yo first keep mods but remove bad mods and glichs only ones you can do online matchs because we have fun with it but you can’t get anoyed us doing it because we’r not seeing you .exp can you mod online match ? yes do we do it in private match only ? yes so please fix bad stuff only

  4. Chey March 14, 2012
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  5. John March 14, 2012
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    I would go with removing Death Streaks. Some people may dislike it, but they will get over it, and I think the players will benefit overall. Death Streaks are just an easy way to enable the players to make a comeback and get some kills. I think that if a player is to get back on his/her feet, they should do it themselves, it will earn them more skill and cause less people to become angry over Death Streaks. Overall, I just believe that it is unfair to get rewarded for dying consistently.

    • quickscoping sucks March 29, 2012
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      deathstreaks…. these are a small issue in the game, campers, hackers, modders, quickscoping losers are a real pain in the arse but the major problem is THE SUPPORT STRIKE PACKAGES, seriously look… for dying you are rewarded stealth bombers, juggernaut and escort airdrops, imo all of those are more lethal than going out with a bang using dead mans hand

  6. brandon March 14, 2012
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    i think they should fix the quickscoping and the respawns

    • x11736 March 14, 2012
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      whats wrong with the quickscoping?

      • tired of it March 14, 2012
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        It takes about as much skill and also is just annoying

      • Chad Brown March 29, 2012
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        quickscoping is for fags… and your a fag for defending it.. FAG

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          • quickscoping sucks March 29, 2012

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            there is no skill in quick scoping… JFK wasn’t quick scoped now was he??? quick scoping is cheating and should be taken from the game, if you can snipe then that is good, that takes skill not just running at someone and killing them in one shot, striker noobs are as bad as quickscopers

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  8. donkey March 14, 2012
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    if you use death streaks such as dead mans hand because your getting murdered get a pair of balls and learn to have skill and not use lethel death streaks AMEN!!!

  9. josh March 14, 2012
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    i say get rid of lethal deathstreaks they just make people that are good at the game mad because the are good at shutting down the enemy team and please fix the spawns because i know the spawns are all dumb and in weird places like in hardhat the attackers eam to spawn closer to bomb B then the defenders do which is kinda dumb in my opinion

  10. WTF March 14, 2012
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    Unfortunately overbearing kill streaks will be the rule more often than a death streak, in these types of games. However being someone who has been at the receiving end of kill streaks and death streaks I prefer being the recipient of a death streak kill for another player. Other forms of recognized and unrecognized glitching and cheating are far more prevalent. Sometimes death streaks are players onle way to fight back. Even then it can be futile. I would think that getting rid of scope glitching and cheating should be the lion share of the focus for developers.

    • HedShawt March 29, 2012
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      This. I haven’t heard any complaints about death streaks before today. Come on guys, Call of Duty makes their games so unbalanced already. Death streaks are the rare exception of the developers trying to keep the game in balance. The only complaint i have about death streaks is Final Stand. You shouldn’t be able to fire an M60 if your barely alive and bleeding out on your back. It should be like Second Chance in which you can only use a pistol.

  11. urmom March 14, 2012
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    yes, remove lethal deathstreaks. but also focus on the spawns because sometimes you spawn and you get a flash of color and you respawn again (excluding tacs).

  12. SkiDaBird March 14, 2012
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    The only reason I use Matryrdom, and that is the only lethal I use, is because i feel its the only one that actually works. Jiuced is unerpowered, but fair, compared to the rest. If revenge were a four and the icon popped up faster I would use it. Anyone wanna tweet Robert Bowling about making revenge and Juiced more powerful, providing more incentive to actually use them?

    • M March 26, 2012
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      i always use juiced it’s the only one i like. Maybe they should get rid of dead mans hand i hate that thing. and final stand even more…

  13. nick March 14, 2012
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    i agree with “WTF”…WHAT the hel is the difference if u get buzzkilled by a death streak or someone whos dropping a predator on u….it helps the people that are not as good get some xp…if it pisses ppl off that are good at the game i say GOOD…how hard is it really to earn ur pave low again…really?!?!?!…grow up and give everyone a fighting chance

  14. Del March 14, 2012
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    I agree with neil, fix the ‘quick scope’ travesty first before you start messing around with something pointless as deathstreaks. Are people pissed off with them because they have the effect they are supposed to have? Remember you still have to have timing and good aim for DMH and final stand.

  15. J.Reed7 March 14, 2012
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    I agree they should definitely remove lethal deathstreaks, but if their going to go that route, they should remove half of whats offered for the support strike package. If your going to reward people for playing objectives, thats fine, but they shouldnt be able to get rewarded for kills then, or spam stealth strikes and EMP’s if an entire team is running support. Why should someone who didnt earn their streak with an assault package get a lethal killstreak? I feel like their similar issues. Continue to balance the game Infinity Ward.

  16. Johnny Mc Nubs March 14, 2012
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    If you want a realistic-ish game you have to have “unfair” items in it. Life is not fair. You are able to use them just as much as the next person. Hate to tell you but if I were in a war and I knew I was going to die from being peppered with rounds, don’t think for a second I wouldn’t take someone out with me. No I don’t use deadman’s hand. It’s not for me. Yes it’s annoying to get blown up by the guy I’ve been destroying but you know what I do when I respawn? I keep my distance.. if you are good you can overcome the small obstacles that you face.. if not, go play viva pinata

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  18. Excal March 14, 2012
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    now i kinda agree with the deathstreaks but, really they arent that annoying, if your to close to them to actually get hit, thats your own dumb fault, maybe get a little more skill and kill from a distance. As with quick scoping which I’ve read in comments, i think they should take it out all together, it shows absolutely no skill. All it is is good timing, and a lot of luck. And wit the support package, i agree with that too, why should someone who can’t earn a real assault pack, be rewarded for getting 1 kill and dying? it’s stupid. As with the spawns, well i personally think that there should be some sort of enemy proximity system so you don’t get spawn trapped, or some sort of temporary immortality, maybe 2-3 seconds so if your in a spawn trap zone, you can get out. as for the anger, well people it’s a freaking game, get over yourself. if your good at the game then fine, if your a jerk and bag on others because they’re not as good , then i’d like to see you on those front lines with a gun, see how long you last. Now i’m personally not saying i’m any good, because i know i’m not, but again, it’s a game, get over yourself.

  19. E x a IL t March 14, 2012
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    How about, get rid of all the ridiculous killstreaks and death streaks and go back to when Call of Duty was actually all about gun skill

  20. Tuco March 14, 2012
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    Remove them they r stupid

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  22. Me March 14, 2012
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    I think everyone needs chill out and quit whinning. It’s a fucking game not the end of the world.

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  24. Juicebox408 March 15, 2012
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    Death streaks are very annoying especially when your on a long kill streak and a bad kid that has dead mans hand or final stand runs up to you knowing that they can finally kill you because of……sad face just thinking about it =( lol

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  27. Davy March 26, 2012
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    3 Things That Need To Be Taken Out Completely:
    1: SECOND CHANCE / FINAL STAND!
    2: ALL DEATHSTREAKS!
    3: ABILITY TO QUICK-SCOPE!

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  28. Max March 26, 2012
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    Everyone whining about quickscoping and at the same time saying deathstreaks arent a big deal you are contradicting yourself. Deathstreaks take ZERO skill and quickscoping only “doesnt take skill” to those who cant do it. if you hate killstreaks and quickscoping then go and play battlefield 3 goddammit.

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  29. Traced March 27, 2012
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    I think they should worry about the respawn points first before anything.. simply fucked up in this game.

  30. Kyle March 27, 2012
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    i agree with some people that lethal killstreaks should be taken out
    think of this if you fix respawns people are more likly to have a better game then dieing immeditaly
    also if players are having a good match and someone has last stand or martydom or dead mans hand they could die and quit just because of that.

    • HedShawt March 29, 2012
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      Sorry, this isn’t solely directed at you, but at the entire population of people whining about spawns. On what platform is there spawnkilling? I know that at least on Xbox the game doesn’t pick one spot to spawn you because the spawns rotate around the map. The game is specifically designed to make sure you don’t spawn near enemies or in their line of sight.

  31. kiing March 29, 2012
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    whats wrong with quick scooping?? how many snipers have you seen or have heard about that actually raise a sniper riffle and shoot within a 1 to 2 seconds – without looking through a scoop?? i know its a game but damn have some sort of realism

  32. Turki March 29, 2012
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    What i raely hate is ” dead man hand ” .. it’s completley bad idea ..

  33. ImTheMan March 29, 2012
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    In Blackops 2 there will be no more deathstreaks, no more flamethrower attachments, no more rc-xds, no more steady aim for snipers, more zombies of course, in hardcore there will be no more grenade lauchers, you will not die in you get shot in the foot,there will be no M.O.A.B or nuke in Blackops 2,and no more last stand. This is leaked information and is up in the air so most likely it is true possible some rumor.
    My source:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjcwzw7wgPY&feature=my_liked_videos&list=LLfwylcajFoywez1fgp7unFQ

    I hope this makes you excited as I am and have a nice day :)

  34. David March 29, 2012
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    you guys should really leave them, but have it so that instead of something newby, make it like juiced and revenge not at all like deadman’s hand

  35. zeee March 29, 2012
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    i don’t agre. maybe they should just limit the airfighters in the air like modernwarfare1 too much pavelow, ac130, chopper is a massacre =.=

  36. Travis March 29, 2012
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    How about instead of nerfing the stuff you already have in the game, get rid of all the spawnkillers and glitchers. I’m fine getting pwned by someone with a lethal deathstreak, just shows I was too stupid to stay away long enough to finish the kill, but someone who is inside the dome on dome killing me anytime I try to get to the other side of the map is total bullshit.

    • HedShawt March 29, 2012
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      Hey instead of fixing the stuff you can fix, why not fix something that you can’t fix and really isn’t a problem but really is just me complaining about how the toast always lands butter-side down.

  37. Drew March 29, 2012
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    What I hate the most more than anything is that my family and grand kids in the same room are these foul mouthed punks that take this crap to serious . Like calling people campers , if you were in a real time war which most of you chicken shits aren’t it’s not camping it’s called taking cover in a real war you can’t die 15 times , so what if you get 20 kills , all this game means is all I got to do is kill someone before I die each time . Sorry when your dead your DEAD !!!!

    • Oliver April 8, 2012
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      It’s a fucking video game, if you sit in a corner in a video why even waste the money to play it? Get out of the corner and play the goddamn game.

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        Oliver,
        That’s makes no god damn sense. People pay money to buy the game. It is up to them whether to play the game however that want to. I’m pretty sure the purpose of the mutliplayer of CoD is the kill people and play the objectives. You are not wasting money if you camp all day. You earning kills and XP. Know your shit, cunt.

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          You’re probally one f those kids who’s second prestiige with 7 days played. Smh. Ok buddy whateveer you think ‘earning’ exp iss, ill stick to my 2.89 k/d and 400+ spm.

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            Correction Oliver. I gamertag is Arazos on Xbox with a 3.20 k/d with me being 15th prestige. I not saying I camp alll day, I’m saying that just because you camp, doesn’t mean you’re wasting your money. Again, learn the purpose of the multiplayer. My best gun is the PP90M1 and if you have an Xbox go to Elite and check how many hours I have played the game. You will see that you are totally wrong. Check it out, Oliver and we will see who’s better.

  38. Ben March 29, 2012
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    How about getting lil kids off the game for starters? Im sick of hearing little kids swearing there asses off. Great parenting skills whoever got them the game.

  39. xX_Dakota_Xx March 29, 2012
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    I think that everyone needs to stop complaining about the game. Everyone is good at their own thing. Yes, i do think that that the respawning needs to be changed, but the rest of the changes…. It sounds like Battlefield3 all over again And honestly, tht game sucked haha. Kill streaks and quickscoping are two of the things tht made modernwarfare. Lets just play the game, and let the game developers do what they do.

  40. Zaur March 29, 2012
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    in my opinion deathstreaks should be removed except for juiced. it just pisses me off when im going for a moab and some noob with a dead mans hand kills me. HOW DOES HE DESERVE TO MESS UP SOMEONES KILLSTREAK JUST BECAUSE HE DIES 6 TIMES IN A ROW. plus quickscoping should be left alone, there isnt anything wrong with it, cod will always have players that snipe, camp , boost and do other things that are annoying.

  41. Jerrod March 29, 2012
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    how about shutting up abouting removing deathstreaks cause you might eant payback for the mother f*cker tht keeps killing in different corners and keep quick scoping its fun for the pros but i do a little hard scoping

  42. Jerrod March 29, 2012
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    want* sry i type fast

  43. “Jackal” March 29, 2012
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    Okay, I’ve sat here and read every single post. In Modern Warfare 4, if it’s made, there should be no lethal Deathstreaks, besides Last Stand. Because we all know that was a favored Deathstreak to those who played Modern Warfare 2. Last Stand should be the only lethal Deathstreak to be carried through the Call of Duty series. For example: The Pavelow and the AC-130 should be carried on through the series, because in Modern Warfare 2 they were the MOST favored Killstreaks, exluding the E.M.P and Nuke.
    And I speak from experience on both Playstation3 and Xbox360

  44. Adam March 29, 2012
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    i use DMH not because i am a noob but because revenge is sweet lol you can get it in many ways, using care packages, strafe runs, hinds, predator missiles… not saying i am the best i have my bad games like everyone else… its actually funny using DMH because you kill the noobs and the good players will kill you before you can blow them up, noobs on the other hand think you are dead and go to run off then BOOM SHAKALAKA!!!! now as if that isn’t funny blowing up some clown that thinks they have killed you and go to run off as you go down!

  45. kiing March 29, 2012
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    i think for every 5 or 10 seconds you camp you should lose a point towards your next kill streak – but keep them ones you already acquired – that way this method would get rid of some of the kill streak campers – or for ever bulk amount of seconds you camp – once you are killed you gain a spawn time – for the amount of seconds you spent camping – that would get rid of all campers

  46. Mike March 29, 2012
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    Looking at the comments already established and rated down, it’s obvious that nearly everyone here is to ignorant to understand why death streaks are in the game. Also, quickscoping is stupid, – I’m bringing this up because it’s become quite the topic in comments – it requires no more skill than using a n00b tube. And yes, I’ve tested this theory several times.
    The reason why death streaks are in the game, especially ones like pain killer and martyrdom/DMH is because of times when connection in the lobby is bad and even those who are good at the game are being shut down due to screen-to-screen lag. It gives them a chance to atleast get a kill or two. While this isn’t always the case, it happens frequently enough to make it a legitimate reason to keep death streaks in the game.

  47. chris March 29, 2012
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    Fix the quick scope please

  48. Christian March 29, 2012
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    Oh my god people need to calm the fuck down.
    first of all i want to talk about quickscoping.
    quickscoping isnt at all that bad, its the same as someone running around with an rpg if u dont like it fuck off and also quickscoping is kind of the reason the modern warfare series is popular (check out youtube and youll know what i mean)

    • Christian March 29, 2012
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      and also practically everyone likes quickscoping so it would kind off put everyone off the game so it would be a bad idea. Or maybe a gamemode for it would be good?

  49. Max March 29, 2012
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    The death streaks can wait but they have to fix the TERRIBLE knifing in the game

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      i agree, i got 3 hit markers on a knife

  50. EmPiiReX April 22, 2012
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    I don’t mind quick scoping as it actually takes skill. i dont even mind hardscoping as long as its not to hard.What i dont like is getting killed by things that take no skill like camping or noob-tubing. I think if a player doesnt move out of a radius for a certain time, they should show up on the radar

  51. harvs35 April 30, 2012
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    the title should say “non lethal deathstreaks” not “non lethal killstreaks”

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